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Hi, welcome to the Fairy Tail Fanon Wiki Twilight Despair 5! Thanks for your edit to the User talk:Ash9876 page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if you need any help with anything! Enjoy your time here! -- Wikia (Talk) 06:30, August 11, 2011

Hey twilight, you seem to need some help? Well, you can make a character of course, and as for caster magics and all, just use your imagination! Just try not to be OP and all, so yeah.Student Ash (Let's learn together!) 05:40, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm on the chat you know.Student Ash (Let's learn together!) 05:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. I gave permission for them to be deleted. I'm sorry, here's my explanations.

  • Twilight Magic: I understand your basic concept but no person can be born with the two magic affinities, Light and Darkness.
  • Corbenic Godheart: He had an extremely large magic repertoir that even Jellal didn't have, his power was also at the boundary of being able to defeat Gildarts.
  • Five Great Mages: It didn't necessarily fit with the Canon Ideals, and also all the mages were much too powerful to be in one organisation.

Again, if you wish to revise your articles, please tell me, and I shall undo them.Ash Ketchum (I choose you) 05:14, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


Well Td I did, I came over to the Fairy tail wiki. I was kind of upset at what sei did and now it seems the BFF is going down hill anyway. With sei's rules and what they did against the GF was the trigger, so I came over here.~ Sento of the Sands 03:10, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

New Lost Magic Edit

Hey. Well, I have time right now. Say what's on your mind. Tell me about this "Twilight Magic".Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 23:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

I say: go ahead. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 23:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

In regards to the RP, if I have the time, sure. I'd say it could have many forms, yes. Magic can be manipulated in many ways, so yes. If that's what he centers his magic around, then that's pretty much his magic's main power. Of course it's an advance magical technique. It allows him to live forever more or less, that's pretty impressive. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 03:31, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I see, interesting. And what inspired the concepts of this magic for you? I feel like asking.Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 03:57, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's very interesting, Twilight. The Native American myth roots of it is rather unique. Sure, you can make a Magic Council member. In regards to the Wizard Saint, sure, when his profile is complete and all that jazz, he'll be made a Wizard Saint. He looks to be an interesting character. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 04:20, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I see. So he can also use light magic and darkness magic then. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 04:57, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, make sure to state that in his profile. Since some might think he can use light magic and darkness magic apart from Twilight magic. No, I don't have any pictures on hand for a "Twilight magic template". Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 05:23, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I see, interesting. Don't worry, there's no problem with him knowing several magics. It's Fairy Tail, that's possible for a young mage. So it's even more so for an old mage. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 15:46, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm on chat now. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 23:53, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ohay! Edit

Despair, can I make the beauty High Mage?Jesller 14:10, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yo Edit

Alright, I'll be online then. Talk to you then. Zicoihno (Talk to Me) 23:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Article Comments Edit

Rah Rah like a Dungeon Dragon

Hey Twilight-san glad to meet ya, my name is Sui-Feng (yes, after the bleach character XD). I have recently talked to our two Admins about enabling comments on this wiki and Zicoihno-sama(as I have decided to call all admins) said that I should talk to you guys about it and if you guys agreed and him and Ash-sama agreed then we could get them enabled soooooo within this message I will try, and I will....hopefully, convince you to vote in favor of the article comments. Soooooo here I go.

Article comments are a cool feature introduced by wikia that work really well for fanon wikis because it allows visitors to give reviews on the characters as comments on the actual pages. And it won't disturb any of the existing talk pages or destroy any of there content. In addition i'll tell you a fact that most people don't know. You can have both comments and talk pages! I think the comments addition would look really good on the site and i'd love to have your supporting vote. If not i'll stalk you.

Sincerely, Captain Suì-Fēng 18:41, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, it doesn't disable them but it does make them a slightly harder to reach. What I mean by that is that the link for talk pages is no longer at the top of the page, it is replaced by the comments link, but I could easily whip up a template that put an icon at the top of the page that said and linked to the article's talk page. Captain Suì-Fēng 20:56, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Twilight-san! Captain Suì-Fēng 21:51, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Uhhhh Edit

Well, Dematerialization Magic works. The other one doesn't make any sense at all, to me. The Tenth Doctor(Brilliant!) 17:08, August 17, 2012 (UTC) 23:18, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

It appears interesting enough. If you're able to explain it properly and send it to me, I can help you flesh it out. Ashy (Welcome!) 22:22, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Stuff Edit

There's an 'exam' required to make canon characters and Etherious (a simple set of questions). Slayers are not allowed without permission + 50 edits and besides the arcs, Black Arts also need permission. Ashy (Welcome!) 21:42, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ask Perchan. And yes you can make new spells/magic. Ashy (Welcome!) 01:59, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm really sorry for the late reply, Twili. Just dealing with some stuff on my end. I'm just gonna say now it doesn't get complicated later on, I deal with magic and curses (basically you need to see me to make Lost Magic, Slayer Magic, new Molding Magic, or new Celestial Spirits/Keys, and if you want to, you can ask me ability questions if you're not sure how something works), Ashy deals with announcements and canon to fanon characters (like if you wanna make your own Natsu, go see him), Aha deals with character creation and checking to see if stuff breaks canon (so go to him if you want character reviews or are unsure on how to use canon in your article), and last but not least, Zico deals with rule enforcement.

Anyway, going on, your magic, I'd make more weaknesses. For one, you should move that "The lifeforce does grant eternal youth or resurrect the intended target but the spell needs to be used every 10 years, otherwise they died." to five years- since a LOT can happen in ten years. Also, how would you measure "life force"? That'd play a major part in the second point. Other than that, I have no problems. Once you tell me about those things, I'll give the okay. If you need any help, just ask! Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 12:07, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that clarification! Anyway, go ahead with your spell, those are good limits. Also, for altering Heaven's Eye, honestly if it can do all of those, I'd just make it another magic- or maybe he could use Archive (whether it's activated through his eye or not)- there, he could have a Heaven's Eye spell installed, plus another spell that allows him to break through illusions and the like, and another spell that could record things? The rules regarding altering canon magic is that if the power the user wants to add to it is even slightly connected to the magic, then it could happen. I couldn't really see how Heaven's Eye could break through illusions personally. What do you think? Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 05:17, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, yes it does sound overpowered. Hmm. Would you like me to write something up as a guideline and then you can expand on it? If so, tell me what you want out of the magic really simply and I can work with it. Unless you have any other ideas (or another way that the magic'd work), that is. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 23:04, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think, if he can do all that, he doesn't really need any more powers (also I'd tone all that down a bit, especially regarding that universal kinetic power stuff). Also, I'll get to work on Creator's Eye tonight. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 09:03, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Depends on the theme of the guild. What's your guild mainly focused on? Also, you should ask one of the admins to format the article for ya. Looks a bit messed up. Tenth Doctor (Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem) 21:55, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Alpha's Icons 9 (2015 05 17 15 38 20 UTC) Not sure if this one you can use, but I think it gets the jist of things. If you're familiar with Harry Potter that is. Tenth Doctor (Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem) 22:23, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't know. But I would say use something that's underused like Great Tree Arc, Arc of Time, or Maguilty Sense. Slayers are overrated imo, especially DSs. I would also recommend creating your own, with Per's permission of course. But it depends on your preferences. Tenth Doctor (Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem) 22:53, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

So.... matter manipulation, something akin to Super Janemba's power, right? Eh, I'm not sure if it's Lost Magic material, but then again it's dependent on how you use it. It's up to you if you're comfortable with it. I would ask Per to help you with it tbh since she's the expert with the whole magic business. Tenth Doctor (Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem) 01:08, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, if you say it that way, it would seem to be less understandable and rather.... insufficient. By that, I mean no one would get the whole idea. At least to me anyways. I mean we have an Alchemy page here, which uses magic as a source; that's understandable as it sticks to the basics of magic while having a surrounding theme of the page's namesake. If you're trying to base this off of Brandish's matter manipulation, I suggest use that. Otherwise, I would suggest to try to come up with something new. That's if you want. Tenth Doctor (Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem) 01:27, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sure! But you know I am not an admin right..? But I can give some feedback on your magic type if you still want? What's your idea?Lady Komainu (talk) 04:25, August 12, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Hmmm I like the idea of possibilities with the Underworld Magic... when you talk about the rivers, do you mean the 5 rivers? (Pain, hatred, forgetfullness, fire, and wailing) If so, you could have the magic take on a physical attack form (river of pain and river of fire) and then also be a psychological/illusion type attack as well ( river of hatred, forgetfullness and wailing). So I think that Underworld Magic would be an interesting one to persue! 

The Law of Weakness one seems like it is to convuluted to be a true possibility. For example, if you were going up against my guild, Koma Inu, what would it's weakness be? I think it would turn into something that was a bit of a stretch and might not actually make sense. It seems like you are trying to have a similar effect as nullification magic, dispel, or voodoo magic, in where you creates an obvious openning for an attack. I think if you thought of a better way to create that openning in your opponent, your magic would be more effective. I do, however, like the idea of it's effects being permamant for as long as the caster can cast the spell. Maybe doing something where you create a box/space where you can choose the weakness of your opponent, could have the same effect that you want? Like you can create this space, and then choose that they will feel pain whenever you say the word "bubbles" (or something, I'm just making it up). And then the only way for them to escape is for you to end the spell, or for someone to attack and distract you from using the magic.

Sorry if that was a lot...but I think you have really good ideas!Lady Komainu (talk) 04:55, August 12, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Well I think that both your magics are really good ideas. The weakness magic would just need some more elaborate explainations to understand. But the examples you gave do make sense. And my guild is based off the lion dogs that guard the shinto shrines; they are called Komainu. I would be excited to see how your magics unfold, so I hope you ask Perchan if you can make them! And glad I could help out!Lady Komainu (talk) 05:39, August 12, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Sorry for the wait. Anyway, I've actually nearly finished your Creator's Eye lol. How about, if you want, you show me your version I'll show you mine, and we can pick out the best parts of each and add em together?

Anyway, onto your questions. What other weaknesses does your life force spell have? Also, your object manipulation, does it have like a width/depth limit or something like that? I know you said it doesn't work on wide locations but I just wanna know the exact limit to that. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 13:15, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

I like your ideas for the Creators Eye and Object Manipulation magic, the only question I have about it is you said that you made the Creators Eye to help restore items that were effected by the Object Manipulation magic? So with the creators eye, are the effects permanant? Or does the creation only last for as long as the caster is using the spell/ is alive?Lady Komainu (talk) 15:56, August 12, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Oh I understand. Well I am eager to see how you develop the other 2 magics you were thinking of, I think the creation and object magic are already awesome! I also must say that I like what you have for your guild so far, it's cool :) Lady Komainu (talk) 02:49, August 13, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Hmmm I will think about making a character for your guild and let you know! It's always so hard to come up with them though...I can never think of any cool magic to use. But if I do end up making a character for your guild, I will be sure to ask if its ok first. Lady Komainu (talk) 03:19, August 13, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

I like the Memory Magic! I think I will make a character for your guild, if thats ok? I just have to finish up a couple things for my own guild first, and then I will start making my character!Lady Komainu (talk) 21:54, August 13, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

I think that there is the possibility that there are some people so unique that there is no counterpart to them, and yet you need both yin and yang to be whole. What are you trying to do with the idea of the parallel worlds?

The Creator's Eye (創造者眼, Sōzōshagan) is a Subspecies Magic of Eye Magic that enables the user to exert their "reality" over an immediate vicinity.

The Creator's Eye is a mysterious, unique type of Eye Magic that exists in one in a million people. Essentially, the magic is a complete manifestation of the user's magical power, given physical form. In order to initiate the Creator's Eye, the user flares up their magical aura while focusing it at a single point—their eye. This causes the Creator's Eye to awaken, instilling the user's Personal Reality (自分だけの魔法 (パーソナルリアリティ), Pāsonaru Riariti lit. Reality of Magic); which, as the name indicates, is the "inner world" of a magician- their thoughts and beliefs contained within their magic origin. This releases an arduous pressure through the user's eye that envelops the area for a few meters. Under this pressure, the opponent and everything in the vicinity is subject to the user's Personal Reality, essentially causing the user's thoughts to manifest into reality, allowing them to influence the immediate vicinity in many ways; from offensive uses and defensive uses to supplementary uses such as summoning.

However, the Creator's Eye has several weaknesses, as a drawback to its strength—the user must put a portion of their own life-force into initiating the magic in order to stabilize their Personal Reality within this plane of existence, meaning that each use of the Creator's Eye results in shaving an indeterminate amount of time off of their life. In addition, keeping it stabilized in the first place, as well as manifesting more thoughts into reality requires the user to have complete faith in its existence—a stronger will can render the Personal Reality shattered. Any doubt can easily undo the magic, which reflects upon the user's body, possibly killing them if their doubt reaches a certain low. Because of all of these criteria, the Creator's Eye is labeled a flawed magic, with Arc of Embodiment being a superior alternative.

Here ya go. Watcha think?

Anyway, for your life force spell, I'd use a different weakness. In a roleplay, that can pretty much be rendered null since pretty much nobody's going to have their character act careless.

Also for your object manipulation, go ahead! Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 19:51, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Twilight, on your Creator's Eye, I'd take out "the flow of life and death, and even space and time directly", that's a bit overpowered.

Anyway, yeah there can be some people unique to one world. Also, Memory, what else can it do? I'd also take out anything that can kill somebody or gain an unfair advantage with it. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 02:14, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hey there! I just wanted to let you know that I started working on a character for your Pantheon Guild, she is Selina Wasureru. Do you happen to have a page for the memory magic that I can link to on my page? Or if you think of a better magic suited for her, let me know!

Honestly, the whole idea of that Memory thing is pretty overpowered if it can affect all memories. Also the weakness, it'd need more.

Anyway, for your spell, I've never heard of that power in that game. I have no idea what it does. Also what does the spell have to do with the power of the Creator's Eye? Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 13:49, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

sure that would be fun! I can let you know when my character is done. It may take some time, since I'm balancing stuff for my own guild as well.Lady Komainu (talk) 14:38, August 17, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Memory, go ahead, but be careful it can't really be abused. Anyway for your spell, go ahead. Also, Annihilation Magic's a bit overpowered imo. Also, Crash does the same thing; just use that? Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 21:36, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean make Ace of the Guild? Like make a new character? And I think that I should get rid of one of the Magics from Selina. That way you can use it for another character. I think I'll have her keep Object Manipulation, but let you use Memory for someone else.Lady Komainu (talk) 22:42, August 17, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

That's...pretty much Crash, except a bit specialized. Hmm, how about your character just uses Crash but it has those effects and is a bit weaker because of the user's magic origin? Or you can use my Destruction Magic if you want. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 11:12, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly? No, it's a bit overpowered. Also just sayin, "Can wrestle away ownership of the release Ethernano and use them against the original Caster" stuff like this, it generally isn't really a good weakness as in a roleplay it'll either always happen or it will never happen. You shouldn't give anything probability based weaknesses.

Anyway for your other spell, define "animal". Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 12:02, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

If you want, just use my Destruction Magic for the time being until you remake your own magic; I don't mind. Anyway, for your life-force spell, go ahead. However, it shouldn't really apply to the "strong" magical races we see in the manga/anime/what have you. Like dragons, Vulcans, etc. Anything that's shown a reasonable amount of power. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 12:45, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Guild Proposal Edit

Hey Twilight, I don't mind making an S-Class wizard for your guild, actually I already have a character that would be great; he's a Dragon Slayer though, Vance Kervic, plus if you would like, and to fit into my own vision of his character if you take him I would like to ask you to add another character of mine, not as an S-Class but a regular member, his characters younger sister, a Dragon Slayer as well (both were taught by the same dragon). For my own story purposes I had thought to have their characters join a guild, I was going to add their names to the Hydra Head page, but I like this idea better. And nice to meet you to. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:24, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Oh my gosh, your law of weakness magic would work perfectly with object manipulation! But im still confused a bit, do they get to pick the weakness, or is it just a random thing?Lady Komainu (talk) 22:27, August 20, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Works for me. personally I liked the Edolas arc, but I don't have any real intention of ever making an Edolas counterpart form any of my characters, so you don't have to worry about that. On another note, because of this co-op between characters would I be the one in control of my own characters come time for any RP's because personally I would like to be in control of my own characters? I'm sure you understand my feeling on that at least. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:47, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

I agree on the individualism, and I don't really have a moniker for Vance yet, but I'm kinda partial to simply call him White Flame Vance. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:23, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Add him whenever you feel like. FYI I'm going to be signing off here in a minute, and wont be back on until tomorrow, I'm on my public libraries computer, but will be on tomorrow and Saturday, but my library is closed on Sunday's, but other then that I'm on pretty much all week. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:39, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

yes that works for meLady Komainu (talk) 01:30, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Also, I was curious if Patheon would like to join our Toveri Alliance? Just in case you ever wanted to RP a story with multiple guilds, you could ask any of the ones in the alliance!Lady Komainu (talk) 01:56, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

No there are no dark guilds in the alliance. And they can fight if you want them to, but are we doing the story where Selina runs into Nikoli after stealing the necklace?Lady Komainu (talk) 03:02, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

hahaha i understand, i dont care if you have him talk down to her or something. Its just a story!Lady Komainu (talk) 03:11, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

yeah you can go ahead and start it!Lady Komainu (talk) 04:11, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Go ahead with your creator's eye spell. Anyway, go ahead with Heaven's Garden- though I do recommend making it a Healing Magic spell.

Also your Law, it's not really well-detailed- for one, guild members wouldn't really be affected by something that invokes the name of their sekrit klub; brain scramble or not. If it were for individual magics it MIGHT work. Also it needs proper mechanics. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 13:30, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Twilight, I'm on for now but will have to get off at six (library closes at six on Fridays and Saturday's, but is open till eight Mon-Thur, and closed on Sunday). Just let me know when it's my turn in the RP and I'll get to it asap, but please know that I'm not the strongest writer, but I have gotten considerably better compared to like two or three years ago. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:03, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

One other thing, for my own purposes and story would you be open to having my main character, Shōjirō Kusaka pass by your guild and battle Vance after his intro into the guild. My story has Vance and Shōjirō being long lost friends, Vance has a loss of memory, and this would help as a form of outside story building. Basic premise in a nutshell: Shōjirō has been traveling the world for 11 years, and at the beginning of my own story he is just returning to the continent of Ishgar, and passes your guild on his way home. FYI, Shōjirō is a wiki wide recognized Wizard Saint. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:09, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Cool and I wont take it to heart so long as heed the same rule. Like I said the library I go to is open Mon-Thur till eight, open till six and Friday and Saturday, and closed on Sunday. I usually tend to login, lets say between like 2:30 and 4pm, depending on what I have going on and whatnot, when I do get on I'll shoot you a message saying that I'm on, cool with you. Also because this is essentially a collaboration between, what me, you and Koma?, and if that's the case just let me know what and where to put my property tag at. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:11, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, works for me. Same thing, I'm not going to rush you on posting, but please know that if I don't post I might not have made it to the library. I've got a number of health problems and they do prevent me from getting tot he library sometimes, but I'm on pretty much everyday. Well, we'll go from here, and it's your turn. Also whenever I want or plan on tossing in another character I'll let you know so we can figure out how to proceed from there. I'll have to get off soon but I might be able to squeeze in another edit, maybe. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm on and your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 03:00, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

I've already though about how I want the fight to go, but I'd rather it be a slight surprise on your part, if that's alright. Otaku-ō (Talk) 03:59, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

You can go first. Vance seems like a character that wouldn't normally start a fight unless necessary. And your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:12, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

I'd make it twenty meters- five hundred meters is a bit too big by my scaling system if I remember correctly. Other than that, go ahead. Anyway, no, you don't need permission from me, but they do to make them in the first place. The amount of slayers you can add to one guild is pretty much limitless. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 14:20, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Gives me some time to work on Vance. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:09, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Hope you have some free time tomorrow and its your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:01, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Ok I have a question about our RP, so I am unsure of what the limits are for Selina's object manipulation magic...Can she control things like the rain? Or dead plants?Lady Komainu (talk) 00:36, August 25, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Then there shouldn't be any problem. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 13:59, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:02, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

You're up. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:19, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Fight Edit

If your talking about Shōjirō, I wasn't going to bring him in until after Vance and Nikolai's fight. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:41, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

If you mean Shōjirō's magical power, at its base level, no second origin or enhancement spells, and completely full, I would probably rate it at about 35,000 to 50,000 because he is a Wizard Saint and is known for his absolutely monstrous magical power. With his entire second origin released and fighting at 100% full power the number would in my own estimation would have to be at least 2.5x the 35,000 to 50,000, so roughly 75,000 to 100,000 on a MPF, but in Shōjirō's case it wouldn't be capable of measuring it at all. Why? Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:54, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

While that is canon, but I guess it is a little much. If I re-estimate it lets say base for Shōjirō would be like 15,000 at base completely topped off, while second origin 100% released would be 25,000. That seems more like it. Lets just say that the above estimates are what I would have them be in my own story line, so the re-estimation should fit more in line for you. This puts Shōjirō at 3532 points greater than you estimate of Nikolai. And with Vance I would say that base would probably be about 7,000 to 7,250, using drive would boost that to about 8,750, and using Dragon Force would make it an even 10,000. it would/will be higher if I can get permission from Aru to use his Draconic Sovereign. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:18, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

No my original estimate was a little much. I tend to have a slight overpower complex with Shōjirō is all. I will stand by the 15,000 and 25,000. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:22, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

That fine about the characters, so don't worry. My estimates are just that to, rough estimations on the characters. But in the case of Shōjirō being a wizard saint if I were to compare him to a canon saint his power would be comparable to that of probably the second god of ishgar because we don't know anything about god serena yet, but his power would probably be comparable to his. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:33, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

My intro of Shōjirō, I wanted it to be after Vance and Simca were added to the guild. My idea was to have it set like six months after this fight, Vance and Simca are getting adjusted to guild life, when Shōjirō comes to the guild looking for some food, making his intro a comical situation. if possible I would like to write the beginning of the next chapter, if that's what you want to call it, so I can get it how I've imagined it, if that's ok with you. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:38, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yay, I'm glad she's in! haha. And yes, I think calling the fight over is nice. After you answer the questions I just posed in the story, I will have her accept. Lady Komainu (talk) 22:41, August 25, 2015 (UTC)Lady Komainu

Sure that's fine what? Sorry I couldn't really understand what you meant, "Also what Nikolai is to release his true Dragon Force past drive."? Did you mean Vance, what is he to release after drive? Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:59, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

No, Vance activated his Dragon Force. I just added the pic that represents his DF a little while ago, if that's what you mean. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:08, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

It may have been a little dirty but that's how I imagine the two of them fighting, Vance acts as the offensive and defense while Simca provides support. But that isn't to say that Simca cant fight, I just haven't added much to her skill and abilities to really provide her in an actual fight. Besides I did tell you that I was going to surprise you on that part didn't I. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:25, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

i'll start it tomorrow. I gotta go. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:39, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Just call it Light God Slayer Magic and then add your name in brackets after the title and you'll be fine. Go ahead. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 13:55, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

No, no hard feelings. It would have been a little better if I had come up with some of Vance's advanced/secret arts before the battle. A few of the spells I was actually improvising just a slight bit with in the fight because I hadn't gotten their descriptions up yet. BTW, it you turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:10, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

You're up. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:56, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

your go. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:15, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

your go. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:35, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

your turn. and what kind of perks are you talking about. also I want Nikolai to give Vance a warning about fighting Shōjirō that he wont listen to. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:03, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Ok and I'd li8ke the chance to have Nikolai fight Shōjirō, like have him wake up from the sake and interfere in some way, like saying the battle was disturbing him or something like that. hope that's alright with you. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:23, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

I know this, but with Nikolai's ice world, that is mitigated slightly. I simply want it to be more like a friendly sparring match. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:31, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

your turn. this is probably a good time for Nikolai to come in. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:13, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, twi, I'm going to go ahead and get off for the day. the weather where I live is getting ready to drop a massive storm on out heads and I walked to my library today and I want to get home before it really storms out. I'll be back on tomorrow though so we can continue tomorrow. Otaku-ō (Talk) 07:30, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

No Third Origin. There's only Second Origin, as canon dictates. Per(This is my stage now!)(Still more~) 11:57, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Your right about that, but this is a slight homage to my own story timeline slightly. In what will my own storyline the first some many chapters take place two years before the current time, making Shōjirō 21, Vance 20, and Simca 17. Basically Shōjirō ahs two years of catch up before the shit hits the fan in my storyline. That's why Simca is 17 and not 19 like on her character page. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:35, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:08, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

your up btw. Otaku-ō (Talk) 05:33, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:07, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

your turn. Otaku-ō (Talk) 06:56, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hey twi, sorry about yesterday, I ran from hell and back yesterday and never got a chance to get online. But I'm back today, at least for a short time anyway. and your turn btw. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:34, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Fine by me. I'll only be one for another hour or so and wont be back on till Monday anyways. Otaku-ō (Talk) 04:56, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

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